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		<title>By: JanG</title>
		<link>http://www.protoolerblog.com/2009/06/27/scott-church-is-going-too/comment-page-1/#comment-9758</link>
		<dc:creator>JanG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I&#039;m using both systems: HD on recording and editing and Logic for producing music and making sound design. Over here in germany markets are collapsing like the studio budgets. No one can buy a million dollar console and hope to recoup the money with recording and mixing jobs - this will NEVER happen. You could say that Digi reacted on that situation with LE systems - but thats wrong cos the LE systems were much earlier than the collapsing studio budgets situation. But they gave the users the ability being mobile with a pro tools rig with less features and a lot less I/Os. So far so good. On the other hand they still invested most energy in selling TDM systems with old DSPs. I never heard of Digi did research on a high performance native system. No they try so tell us that HD is the real deal - for 30k$.
(By the way when you payed tons of cash for a decent HD rig they also have the nerve to charge me 30$ for a Mp3 Option - PLEASE!? 

Don&#039;t get me wrong - when working with important customers in recording and editing no other system can compete with PT - especially the stability of a rig. 

But the markets have changed dramatically in a short period of time and Avid didn&#039;t react in the way they should. 

Why I&#039;m being forced to buy a HD system just to mix in surround or get ADC? 

I know &#039;bout the nearly-zero-latency mixer on the DSP cards and all the stuff that says &quot;yes, HD rig&quot;, but unfortunately neigher the budget our customers will pay nor the amount of jobs would recoup this  investment. 

So I&#039;ll use Logic for more and more jobs and hit Apple+S more often than under PT. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I&#8217;m using both systems: HD on recording and editing and Logic for producing music and making sound design. Over here in germany markets are collapsing like the studio budgets. No one can buy a million dollar console and hope to recoup the money with recording and mixing jobs &#8211; this will NEVER happen. You could say that Digi reacted on that situation with LE systems &#8211; but thats wrong cos the LE systems were much earlier than the collapsing studio budgets situation. But they gave the users the ability being mobile with a pro tools rig with less features and a lot less I/Os. So far so good. On the other hand they still invested most energy in selling TDM systems with old DSPs. I never heard of Digi did research on a high performance native system. No they try so tell us that HD is the real deal &#8211; for 30k$.<br />
(By the way when you payed tons of cash for a decent HD rig they also have the nerve to charge me 30$ for a Mp3 Option &#8211; PLEASE!? </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; when working with important customers in recording and editing no other system can compete with PT &#8211; especially the stability of a rig. </p>
<p>But the markets have changed dramatically in a short period of time and Avid didn&#8217;t react in the way they should. </p>
<p>Why I&#8217;m being forced to buy a HD system just to mix in surround or get ADC? </p>
<p>I know &#8217;bout the nearly-zero-latency mixer on the DSP cards and all the stuff that says &#8220;yes, HD rig&#8221;, but unfortunately neigher the budget our customers will pay nor the amount of jobs would recoup this  investment. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll use Logic for more and more jobs and hit Apple+S more often than under PT. <img src='http://www.protoolerblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ProToolerBlog &#8594; Post &#187; Digidesign has lost its face</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProToolerBlog &#8594; Post &#187; Digidesign has lost its face</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Church is going too&#160;&#160;7 Guy Sigsworth, @ndy, Mox [...] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Guy Sigsworth</title>
		<link>http://www.protoolerblog.com/2009/06/27/scott-church-is-going-too/comment-page-1/#comment-6591</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Sigsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chad

I agree it&#039;s not an easy market to be in right now. Every week stiff has a post about another plug-in manufacturer offering another special discount. We&#039;re all under pressure in the music biz. I&#039;m only making grumpy comments about Avid because I love their product, Pro Tools, and don&#039;t want to see it go under.

The main problem for Avid is that their principal rival is Apple - a computer manufacturer. When Apple bought Logic they made it Mac-only, halved the price, and made it easier to pirate. This would have made no business sense when Logic was a standalone software company. But Apple realized that, for Logic users, the copy protection system was now the Apple computer itself. The Logic DAW drives sales of Apple computers, just as the iTunes shop drives sales of iPods - though, admittedly, at a lower level.

In the UK the BBC is now investing heavily in Final Cut Pro - another Apple rival product to Avid. And the consequence is, the beeb are buying thousands of Apple computers for their staff.

I really don&#039;t know how Avid can compete with that. I&#039;d hate to see Avid bought by Microsoft, for instance, with the Pro Tools staff reassigned to work on something like Songsmith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chad</p>
<p>I agree it&#8217;s not an easy market to be in right now. Every week stiff has a post about another plug-in manufacturer offering another special discount. We&#8217;re all under pressure in the music biz. I&#8217;m only making grumpy comments about Avid because I love their product, Pro Tools, and don&#8217;t want to see it go under.</p>
<p>The main problem for Avid is that their principal rival is Apple &#8211; a computer manufacturer. When Apple bought Logic they made it Mac-only, halved the price, and made it easier to pirate. This would have made no business sense when Logic was a standalone software company. But Apple realized that, for Logic users, the copy protection system was now the Apple computer itself. The Logic DAW drives sales of Apple computers, just as the iTunes shop drives sales of iPods &#8211; though, admittedly, at a lower level.</p>
<p>In the UK the BBC is now investing heavily in Final Cut Pro &#8211; another Apple rival product to Avid. And the consequence is, the beeb are buying thousands of Apple computers for their staff.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t know how Avid can compete with that. I&#8217;d hate to see Avid bought by Microsoft, for instance, with the Pro Tools staff reassigned to work on something like Songsmith.</p>
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		<title>By: @ndy</title>
		<link>http://www.protoolerblog.com/2009/06/27/scott-church-is-going-too/comment-page-1/#comment-6585</link>
		<dc:creator>@ndy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things usually happen in threes!  Especially bad things... no good can come of this.</description>
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		<title>By: Mox</title>
		<link>http://www.protoolerblog.com/2009/06/27/scott-church-is-going-too/comment-page-1/#comment-6584</link>
		<dc:creator>Mox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree strongly with Guy&#039;s comments...

Very worrying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree strongly with Guy&#8217;s comments&#8230;</p>
<p>Very worrying.</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
		<link>http://www.protoolerblog.com/2009/06/27/scott-church-is-going-too/comment-page-1/#comment-6583</link>
		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question, from the bird&#039;s eye view, is this: Is there really money to be made in this market anymore?  Is it possible it has plateaued?  I imagine Digi shareholders grew fat on the high-profit-margin of Pro Tools HD in the &#039;90s.  The corporation may not find it appealing to scratch for scraps in the brave new world of digital-media-production-is-cheap and then the music you make with it is, for all intents and purposes, essentially free to the public.  From a macro-economics standpoint, the future does not look bright in this region.

It&#039;s certainly an interesting time to be alive.  Stay tuned!  Music production and music consumption is transforming so substantially and so quickly that it can only be called revolutionary.  It&#039;s just: a revolution towards what end?  That&#039;s the question, isn&#039;t it?

If I were an investor, I would not invest in Avid.  The trajectory does not seem to be going upwards.  I don&#039;t see how it can.  But I&#039;ve been wrong before.

- c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question, from the bird&#8217;s eye view, is this: Is there really money to be made in this market anymore?  Is it possible it has plateaued?  I imagine Digi shareholders grew fat on the high-profit-margin of Pro Tools HD in the &#8217;90s.  The corporation may not find it appealing to scratch for scraps in the brave new world of digital-media-production-is-cheap and then the music you make with it is, for all intents and purposes, essentially free to the public.  From a macro-economics standpoint, the future does not look bright in this region.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly an interesting time to be alive.  Stay tuned!  Music production and music consumption is transforming so substantially and so quickly that it can only be called revolutionary.  It&#8217;s just: a revolution towards what end?  That&#8217;s the question, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>If I were an investor, I would not invest in Avid.  The trajectory does not seem to be going upwards.  I don&#8217;t see how it can.  But I&#8217;ve been wrong before.</p>
<p>- c</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Sigsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Sigsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very worried for the future of Pro Tools. For me, no other DAW can compare for hardcore sample-accurate digital editing. No other DAW has the sample-accurate automation. I utterly love my Pro Tools. I don&#039;t want to have to go over to Logic.

In the pop world, the most important customers for DAWs are the new generation of emerging writer/producers. My impression is that these people are now choosing Logic over Pro Tools by a substantial margin. Two reasons. First, price. Second, it&#039;s an all-in package. With all its excellent soft synths and samplers, Logic contains everything you need to make music and write songs from the second you get it home. You don&#039;t even need an ilok. In a recent Sound On Sound interview, Greg Kursten said he produced Lily Allen&#039;s first single for her new album on just a MacBook Pro running Logic 8, using nothing but the free bundled plug-ins. The Air Group have been doing a lot to make the Pro Tools package more appealing to those potential new buyers, with a whole range of new virtual instruments. To compete with Logic 8 they&#039;ll have to give all of them away for free as part of the package, including Eleven and Velvet.

Avid have to wake up to the changing market. Please, Avid, don&#039;t blow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very worried for the future of Pro Tools. For me, no other DAW can compare for hardcore sample-accurate digital editing. No other DAW has the sample-accurate automation. I utterly love my Pro Tools. I don&#8217;t want to have to go over to Logic.</p>
<p>In the pop world, the most important customers for DAWs are the new generation of emerging writer/producers. My impression is that these people are now choosing Logic over Pro Tools by a substantial margin. Two reasons. First, price. Second, it&#8217;s an all-in package. With all its excellent soft synths and samplers, Logic contains everything you need to make music and write songs from the second you get it home. You don&#8217;t even need an ilok. In a recent Sound On Sound interview, Greg Kursten said he produced Lily Allen&#8217;s first single for her new album on just a MacBook Pro running Logic 8, using nothing but the free bundled plug-ins. The Air Group have been doing a lot to make the Pro Tools package more appealing to those potential new buyers, with a whole range of new virtual instruments. To compete with Logic 8 they&#8217;ll have to give all of them away for free as part of the package, including Eleven and Velvet.</p>
<p>Avid have to wake up to the changing market. Please, Avid, don&#8217;t blow it.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scott church did WONDERS for PT8.  he actually knew what end-users wants, he listened with open ears.  avid decided to hire a bunch of non-industry suits to take over powerful management positions, and their no-music-knowing bafoonery is starting to show whats up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scott church did WONDERS for PT8.  he actually knew what end-users wants, he listened with open ears.  avid decided to hire a bunch of non-industry suits to take over powerful management positions, and their no-music-knowing bafoonery is starting to show whats up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandallay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandallay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fear is Avid is planning to put all its apples into making Pro Tools THAT MUCH MORE integrated with Video Post Production. 

Not something we need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fear is Avid is planning to put all its apples into making Pro Tools THAT MUCH MORE integrated with Video Post Production. </p>
<p>Not something we need.</p>
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